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2004.04.14

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スラド「ウェディングが匿名掲示板(仮)/悪マニ管理人への訴訟を取り下げ」http://slashdot.jp/articles/04/04/12/0945257.shtmlより

chanbaba[http://nx.sakura.ne.jp/~chanbaba/bbs/index.html] によるコメント
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それと、俺は匿名での非難を問題視しているのではありません。 匿名実名の部分ではなく、同一人物の部分に関してです。
しかし、実際は運営者は一緒で、匿名に隠れて好き放題を書かせていたんだよね。 で、「悪徳商法?マニアックス」側で宣伝し煽って、一般ユーザーに好き放題書かせて攻撃していた訳。 「嘘の利益をほのめかす話」は無い。しかし、誤った情報を元に寄付をしてしまう奴は居ないのかな? 少なくても俺はもうちょっとで寄付するところだったよ。 俺は匿名だからどうのこうのと言っているのではない。別人を装って某板を運営していた行為と宣伝煽り行為の話でだよ。 表では「悪徳商法?マニアックス」にて対悪徳商法活動をして、裏では中傷発言を好き勝手に言わせる某板を運営し、表から裏へ一般ユーザーを誘導していた様に感じる。 で、裏が攻撃されると表で非難。
彼の自作自演が某社のそれと比較して1/100の悪性であっても、だからと言って彼の行動が正当化されるものではない。 ちなみに私は、某社と比較して「50歩100歩」なんて少しも思っていない。
>説明不足だと感じているのなら「問い合わせ」したらいいじゃないですか?

「問い合わせ」することが「肝心」と感じているのは私ではなく貴方です。
私は少しも問い合わせの必要性を感じていません。
彼に説明して欲しいともそれ程感じていません。彼の行為を私は非難しているのですよ。
説明するしないは彼の自由ですし、説明する気があるのならばあの場でしているでしょう。
匿名実名に関してはある程度のべているのだから。

彼(Beyond氏)は、掲示板運営者は書き込みを知らなければ免責されるとたかくくって、悪マに来た奴を某板に誘導しそこで中傷発言をさせていたのだよね? 悪徳商法関連って彼の公私を問わずテーマな訳で、悪マからは「他の悪徳商法掲示板」として某板のリンクを張っていたのだよ。 彼は読んでいて知っていたと決め付けるのは憶測に過ぎないが、某社の話題を読んでいないとは全く思えない。 憶測で人を非難するのはフェアーとは言えないけどさ、悪マの現状は対某社がメインだろ。読んでいないわけ無いじゃん、彼自身が某板に誘導しているんだから。 初めはここまで言うつもりは無かったけどさ。 匿名性を利用して中傷攻撃をさせていたんじゃないのか?と言う疑惑を俺は感じる。
某社に対する悪マの中身は、実際にあった出来事らしきものの話(俺は合法の範囲と判断している『申立人らは、「収入が低くて支払いきれない」「親に預金通帳を管理されている」等と何度も断ったが』って奴)と、CMサイトらしき突っ込みなんだよね。 量的には、CMサイトの指摘中心でしょ。 別人格を装うとかサイトの使い分けとかの指摘なんだよ。 で、その指摘をしている張本人が、別人格を装ってサイトの使い分けをして、更には突っ込まれると逃げたわけ。 逃げるってことはさ。結局文責を取るつもりなんて無いんだよ。じゃぁ、某板は何の存在な訳?と考えるとね。

彼が「悪を悪と言って何が悪い。某社を非難しているのは知っていたが非難が不適切とは感じないので削除しなかった」と言えば話は別なんだけどね。

彼は本当に某板で某社の非難や中傷が行われたことを読んでいなくて知らなかったと貴方は思いますか?
「知らなかった」発言は、俺の勘違い?


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201 名前:名無しさん@ゴーゴーゴーゴー![sage] 投稿日:04/04/14 13:00 ID:Th/wNWuv
>>200
ちゃんばばってセキュリティ板とハード板を荒らしてる電波やん

株式会社ウェディング現象を分析するにあたって、悪マニ掲示板の関連スレッドは全て読んだangelicanalですが。匿名掲示板(仮)管理人が悪マニ掲示板で書き込みする時には、Beyond氏が直接的にレスすることは一度も無かったから不思議に思ったものでしたよ。chanbaba氏は

トップページにある「他の悪徳商法掲示板」に「匿名掲示板(仮)」へのリンクがあるのは痛々しいな。
と感じてる様子ですね。彼も思い入れが激しい人なんでしょうか??裏切られた気分??

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/.Jであのトピックを見たとき、正直私には理解不能なくらい高尚な内容だったので避けてました。
改めて読んでみたのですが…やっぱり私のような凡人には何を書いているのかさっぱりわかりませんでした(^^;
どうも私の脳は本能的に5行以上の書き込みを拒否しているようで…

Posted by: Orleanskaya Deva | 2004.04.14 at 23:29

chanbabaことちゃんばばの生態を知るには
【お悩み】ちゃんばばの相談室【トラブル】
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が良いようです。

Posted by: sdfnyakt | 2004.04.14 at 23:37

Orleanskaya Devaさん、お世話になりますm(_ _)m
確かに、カノ方は達筆というか文量は半端じゃないですよね。
話し変わりますが、Orleanskaya Devaさんってもしかしてロシア人ですか??


sdfnyaktさん、情報サンクスです。
あまり深入りしない方が賢明らしいとの結論に達しました。
今後も宜しく。

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